Thanks for the clarification, Ed. :) That's what I think should be posted
on the email you sent out or on the website to explain the goals for the
future.
I would be happy to support endeavors of getting speakers or getting better
meeting places to hear speakers (yes, I couldn't hear a thing in the front
row of Bash on Ash, even 10 feet from the speakers with Mics).
Does AZIPA plan to have a formal plan? :) IOW, where are we going? :)
It's lots easier to get somewhere when you know where you're going. :)
I vote for techie things! :) Small Business things! :) Consultant related
things! :) Others?
Personally, I'm not interested in all the VC stuff. I like being small. :)
Others?
Take care, c.
Sincerely,
Cindy Fox
Computer Training Solutions
www.azcts.com
www.cindyfox.com
(602) 692-8923
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Nusbaum" <ed@azipa.org>
To: "AZIPA Discussion List" <azipa@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [azipa] AZIPA Fees (completely optional and voluntary!)
> Cindy-
>
> On 12/30/00 at 3:07 AM -0700, Cindy Fox wrote:
> > What is the money required for? What will it pay for?
> >
> > As far as I am aware, Club Rio does not charge.
>
> Yes, you are correct that Club Rio does not charge AZIPA, but rather they
> make their money via sales to AZIPA attendees.
>
> But AZIPA is severely limited to be totally dependent upon Club Rio for
> meeting space.
>
> Other spaces of similar or greater size and amenities (convenient and
> easily accessible location, ample free parking, size and layout of
> facility, food, and full beverage service) that are also no cost is
> something that has been sought for nearly a year now to no avail (although
> ASU is still a possibility, but it also brings new complications and
> limitations)
>
> Translation: Except for relying on the good graces of Club Rio, there is
no
> backup or alternate unless AZIPA finds a way to be prepared to pay for
> meeting space in the future...
>
> But, by collecting voluntary fees and voluntary support now, we can
> prudently plan and be prepared for future eventualities.
>
> Furthermore, the Club Rio location does not have a good sound system for
> spoken presentations (it is instead optimized for booming dance music),
> which is one of the reasons why we have gone to a Showcase format there
> instead of our traditional mix of different meeting formats. And,
> experience (at the Bash at Ash and The Web Theatre) has repeatedly shown
> that in order to have a spoken presentation with such a large group, a
> separate area/room (for people who instead wish to talk and network with
> one another instead of listening to the speaker) must be available as well
> - otherwise we end up with half the room trying to listen to the speaker
> over the noise of the other half of the room who is trying to talk with
one
> another - with the only result that each side gets mad at the other. The
> layout of Club Rio does not permit such a separation, which is yet another
> reason why we have gone to a Showcase format there instead of our
> traditional mix of different meeting formats.
>
> So, without revenue to pay for better meeting space, we are stuck at the
> Club Rio location (or another even less desirable location with even more
> complications) and are totally at the mercy of Club Rio and are also stuck
> doing Showcases.
>
> As said in the email which announced the change to a voluntary fee system:
>
> With the mission of being the catalyst to bring the
> Arizona internet community closer together so as to help
> enable it to do great things, we have always tried to keep
> the threshold for participation as low as possible.
>
> Thus, for well over two years now, AZIPA has never charged
> fees or dues of any kind.
>
> But, this has obviously also limited what we can do as
> a group and as a community.
>
> Thus, while keeping the option of no fees for
> participation as a very integral part of AZIPA (so that
> no one is ever barred due to financial reasons), we
> will start requesting completely optional and voluntary
> fees for participation in AZIPA activities.
>
> Thus, once again, it remains completely and totally free to you unless you
> care to be bothered to chip in and help enable the group to once again do
> those things which you complain that we are no longer doing.
>
> Amazing that when a group such as AZIPA, which has created such great
value
> for the community, yet which has been totally free for everyone for over
> two years now (thanks to consistently being able to find new creative ways
> to be able to remain that way) is no longer able to fully sustain that
> model, and thus asks you for your completely optional and voluntary help,
> you instead complain.
>
> Thank you very much for your support.
>
> Best,
>
> -Ed
>
>
> [...]
>
> > Will there be no old formats - only Showcases? Guess that solves it for
me.
> > :) I won't be coming. Borrrrring. :)
> >
> > Showcases are great... occaissionally. But if that is all AZIPA is
now,
> > then I guess I'll wait until something new comes along.
> >
> > I would be glad to pay for admission to hear good speakers, panels,
talks,
> > or join in a moderated roundtable, but I'm dissapointed by the recent
string
> > of "Showcases."
> >
> > I hope other options become available.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Cindy Fox
> > Computer Training Solutions
> > www.azcts.com
> > www.cindyfox.com
> > (602) 692-8923
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arizona Internet Professionals Association" <egroups@azipa.com>
> > To: <azipa-announce@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:06 AM
> > Subject: [azipa-announce] *** Important AZIPA Update (and New Year
Tidings!)
> > ***
> >
> >
> >> Season's Greetings from the Arizona Internet Professionals
> >> Association!
> >>
> >> With the New Year right around the corner, many of us,
> >> including us here at AZIPA, have taken some time to reflect
> >> upon the past and the future...
> >>
> >> With the mission of being the catalyst to bring the
> >> Arizona internet community closer together so as to help
> >> enable it to do great things, we have always tried to keep
> >> the threshold for participation as low as possible.
> >>
> >> Thus, for well over two years now, AZIPA has never charged
> >> fees or dues of any kind.
> >>
> >> But, this has obviously also limited what we can do as
> >> a group and as a community.
> >>
> >> Thus, while keeping the option of no fees for
> >> participation as a very integral part of AZIPA (so that
> >> no one is ever barred due to financial reasons), we
> >> will start requesting completely optional and voluntary
> >> fees for participation in AZIPA activities.
> >>
> >> Please see http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa for full
> >> details.
> >>
> >> Thank you, and may you and yours have a very prosperous
> >> and Happy New Year!
> >>
> >> AZIPA
> >> http://www.azipa.org
> >> Arizona Internet Professionals Association
> >>
> >>
> >> ==========================================================
> >>
> >>
> >> AZIPA - Arizona Internet Professionals Association
> >>
> >> Please be sure to RSVP! http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa
> >>
> >>
> >> INVITATION
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Invitation to AZIPA Monthly Event - Monday, January 22nd.
> >>
> >> Stop by right after work for Happy Hour food and beverage!
> >> Doors open at 5:30pm. Location info is below.
> >>
> >> Please freely extend this invitation to others who may
> >> also be interested.
> >>
> >> Please be sure to RSVP! http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa
> >>
> >>
> >> WHO ATTENDS?
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> If they are involved in the New Economy and do internet
> >> related stuff (or work with those who do!), then you
> >> will find them at AZIPA...
> >>
> >> Entrepreneurs, Tech People, Angel Investors, Newspaper
> >> Reporters, Venture Capitalists, Business Types, Service
> >> Providers, Consultants, Programmers, Designers, Coders,
> >> Network Dude(tte)s, System Admins, Linux Heads,
> >> Government Representatives, Marketing and Sales Gurus,
> >> Recent Grads, Accountants, Lawyers, Webmasters,
> >> Educators, Students, Graphic Artists, Hardware Pros,
> >> Journalists, Economic Development Departments, Job
> >> Seekers, Employers, Suppliers, Customers, Partners, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> THANK YOU TO THIS MONTH'S AZIPA SPONSORS AND SUPPORTERS!
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> stealthmode.com - http://www.stealthmode.com
> >> Greenberg Traurig, LLP - http://www.gtlaw.com
> >> Business Journal of Phoenix -
> >> http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix
> >> Opnix - http://www.opnix.com
> >>
> >>
> >> THIS MONTH'S EVENT
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> This month's event will be an AZIPA Company Showcase
> >> - which is a great way to see some of the really cool
> >> and useful internet related stuff that is happening
> >> right here in Arizona - and find potential partners,
> >> customers, employees, investors, suppliers, affiliates,
> >> employers, etc, etc, etc.
> >>
> >> We have over 50 great companies in this month's AZIPA
> >> Showcase!
> >>
> >> Note that a preference is given to industry companies
> >> that have not participated before - so there is always
> >> something new and different to come and see and
> >> discover! For a list of companies and organizations
> >> who have requested Showcase space and/or have
> >> participated in prior AZIPA Company Showcases, see
> >> http://www.azipa.org/meetings.html
> >>
> >> Please be sure to RSVP! http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa
> >>
> >> If your company is interested in participating in a
> >> future AZIPA Company Showcase, please sign up as
> >> soon as possible (space fills up incredibly fast!)
> >> http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa
> >>
> >> Suggestions on possible future speakers or events?
> >> Send an email to our Speakers Committee
> >> <mailto:speak@azipa.org>
> >>
> >> Interested in sponsoring future AZIPA events? First,
> >> check out the options at http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa.
> >> If you are interested in something that is not listed,
> >> then please send an email with your request to our
> >> Sponsors Committee <mailto:sponsor@azipa.org>. Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> LOCATION OF THIS MONTH'S EVENT
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> WHERE: Club Rio - 430 N. Scottsdale Road in Tempe -
> >> on the west side of Scottsdale Road, just south
> >> of Route 202 and just north of Tempe Town Lake
> >> (Rio Salado / Salt River).
> >>
> >> Please be sure to RSVP! http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa
> >>
> >> (If the line map below is in disarray, please view
> >> with a mono/single spaced font)
> >>
> >> |
> >> ___________________________|_______Route 202
> >> |
> >> |
> >> <_____<_____<___|
> >> _________ |
> >> Parking | | |
> >> Parking | CLUB | | Scottsdale Road
> >> Parking * RIO | | (/ Rural Road)
> >> Parking |_______| |
> >> |
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~
> >> ~~~~~ Tempe Town Lake ~~~~~|~~~~~~~~
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~
> >> |
> >>
> >> See http://www.azipa.org/meetings.html for a more
> >> detailed map (* is Club Rio Main Entrance)
> >>
> >>
> >> AZIPA NUMBERS
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> 2000+ Arizona internet professionals are currently
> >> subscribed to the AZIPA email Discussion List (see
> >> below) and 7500+ Arizona internet professionals are
> >> on the general Announcement List. The first AZIPA
> >> meeting was held in September of 1998 - thus we are
> >> now well over two years old! Our recent monthly
> >> events have averaged 600+ attendees.
> >>
> >>
> >> AZIPA DISCUSSION MAIL LIST
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Whether you can make it to our events or not, be
> >> sure to sign up for our Discussion Mail List - it
> >> is 2000+ other Arizona internet professionals
> >> helping each other do great internet related things
> >> in Arizona each and every day!
> >>
> >> Subscribe at http://www.egroups.com/group/azipa
> >>
> >>
> >> AZIPA ANNOUNCEMENT LIST
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> If you did not receive this email directly from AZIPA,
> >> please be sure to add yourself to our low frequency
> >> email Announcement List (usually 2-3 emails a month)
> >> so that you can be sure to receive the latest meeting
> >> time and location information directly from the source!
> >> <mailto:meetings@azipa.org>
> >>
> >> To be removed from this general announcement list, simply
> >> reply with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.
> >>
> >>
> >> MARK YOUR CALENDARS NOW!
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> AZIPA monthly events for 2001 are tentatively scheduled
> >> for the evenings of:
> >>
> >> Monday, January 22
> >> Monday, February 26
> >> Monday, March 26
> >> Monday, April 23
> >> Monday, May 21 (Third Monday)
> >> Monday, June 25
> >> Monday, July 23
> >> Monday, August 27
> >> Monday, September 24
> >> Monday, October 22
> >> Monday, November 12 (Second Monday)
> >> Monday, December 10 (Second Monday)
> >>
> >> All meetings start at 5:30pm and are usually the fourth
> >> Monday of each month (except for the third Monday in May
> >> and second Mondays in November and December so as to
> >> avoid conflicts with holidays). As dates and locations
> >> are subject to change, please be sure to sign up for our
> >> low frequency (2-3 emails a month) email Announcement
> >> List so as to make sure to get the very latest updates
> >> directly from the source! <mailto:meetings@azipa.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> AZIPA WHAT AND WHY
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Get Together - Learn Together - Work Together
> >>
> >> AZIPA is the catalyst for people doing internet related
> >> work in Arizona to get together, learn together, work
> >> together, and do great internet related things together.
> >>
> >> AZIPA is purposely cross-functional (business, technology,
> >> art, finance, law, education, government, etc, etc, etc...)
> >> so as to enable people to do great internet related things
> >> in Arizona - no matter what they may be...
> >>
> >> There are many people involved in internet related
> >> careers and businesses here in Arizona - but nowhere
> >> near the critical mass found in Silicon Valley where
> >> you can go into almost any bar or coffee shop and be
> >> able to talk Net and Web and spark that great idea,
> >> start a new company, find that new employee/employer/
> >> subcontractor/supplier/customer/investor/etc.
> >>
> >> AZIPA's goal is to help bring the Arizona internet
> >> community closer together to help create our own
> >> critical mass.
> >>
> >> You are cordially invited to join us in building a
> >> stronger community of Internet professionals here
> >> in Arizona.
> >>
> >> Hope to see you at the next meeting!
> >>
> >> Please be sure to RSVP! http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa
> >>
> >> Arizona Internet Professionals Association - AZIPA
> >> http://www.azipa.org -- mailto:info@azipa.org
>
>
> ==AZIPA=============================================================
> Arizona Internet Professionals Association http://www.azipa.org
> Next AZIPA monthly meeting is 5:30pm on Monday, January 22nd, 2001
> Please be sure to RSVP! http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa
> Other upcoming events:
> Tempe Tech Oasis Techie Tuesday - 6:00pm, Tuesday 1/9/01
> Beeloe's Cafe & Bar, 501 S. Mill Ave Tempe (SE corner of 5th)
> Strategic Research Institute Web Launch BootCamp - 1/30-2/2/01
> http://www.srinstitute.com/cx326
> =============================================================AZIPA==
>
>
==AZIPA=============================================================
Arizona Internet Professionals Association http://www.azipa.org
Next AZIPA monthly meeting is 5:30pm on Monday, January 22nd, 2001
Please be sure to RSVP! http://www.acteva.com/go/azipa
Other upcoming events:
Tempe Tech Oasis Techie Tuesday - 6:00pm, Tuesday 1/9/01
Beeloe's Cafe & Bar, 501 S. Mill Ave Tempe (SE corner of 5th)
Strategic Research Institute Web Launch BootCamp - 1/30-2/2/01
http://www.srinstitute.com/cx326
=============================================================AZIPA==
